Yes We knew what we were getting into…but obviously the Town Officials don’t care to serve the Citizens as they should or keep their fiduciary duties in tact

•22• • • Q.• •So we’re going to be talking about this
23• lawsuit that’s been filed in federal court.• Let me
24• ask you, do you consider Joe Griffin to be your enemy?
25• • • A.• •I primarily consider him to be an enemy of
•1• the Town of White Springs.
•2• • • Q.• •And the same question with respect to Karin
•3• Griffin.• Do you consider Karin Griffin your enemy?
•4• • • A.• •No, I do not.
•5• • • Q.• •Do you likewise feel that Mrs. Griffin is an
•6• enemy of the Town of White Springs?
•7• • • A.• •Yes.
•8• • • Q.• •With respect to the Griffins, what is it
•9• about their actions or statements that make you think
10• that they’re enemies of the Town of White Springs?
11• • • A.• •Mr. Griffin has indicated he would like to
12• destroy the Town of White Springs. (a blatent lie)
13• • • Q.• •Has he used those particular words?
14• • • A.• •That is the overall impression I have of a
15• conglomerate of five years of statements, or more,
16• about his animosity towards the town.
25• • • • • •So I believe the town sent someone over to

•1• ask Mr. Griffin to move his rig and explain that.• And
•2• I believe that led to animosity and a belief that he
•3• was singled out for action by the town.• I believe
•4• that was the start.
8• • • Q.• •When did you — when did Joe Griffin first
•9• come to your attention either by reputation or how you
10• met?• When did you first learn of him?
11• • • A.• •I think you can’t live in White Springs and
12• not hear about Joe Griffin.• It’s difficult for me to
13• say exactly when.
14• • • Q.• •Is your comment about Mr. Griffin just
15• because the town is so small or because he has some
16• reputation that’s an unusual reputation in the town?
17• • • A.• •I think both.
18• • • Q.• •And tell me what you know of Mr. Griffin’s
19• reputation in the town.
20• • • A.• •Well, the stories, if you will, about the
21• initial interaction between Mr. Griffin and the town
22• itself and its employees with his — the parking of
23• his rig next to his house and the neighbor’s concern;
24• and that he had filed many lawsuits against the town
25• and individual employees and, I guess, council

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•1• members; and a number of ethics complaints that he
•2• filed against employees of the town and elected
•3• officials.
•4• • • Q.• •Were any of the previous litigation directed
•5• to you personally?
•6• • • A.• •No.
•7• • • Q.• •And how about the ethics complaints?• Do you
•8• know if the Griffins made any ethics complaints
•9• directed to you?
10• • • A.• •Not that I know of.
11• • • Q.• •With respect to the ethics complaints, do you
12• know who they were directed towards?
13• • • A.• •I believe one was directed toward Vice-Mayor
14• Walter McKenzie, another was directed toward Town
15• Manager Robert Townsend, and I’m not sure about the
16• others.• I know those two.• I believe those two.
17• • • Q.• •So you believe there were additional ethics
18• complaints lodged against people associated with the
19• town, you just can’t remember the details of those?
20• • • A.• •Correct, including who they might have been
21• directed at.
22• • • Q.• •Are you familiar with the White Springs
23• Journal?
24• • • A.• •Is that — I believe that’s their — the
25• Griffins’ blog.
last year, Mr. Griffin called a number of the
•2• candidates that we were — potentially would
•3• interview.• And they told me they had been contacted
•4• by Mr. Griffin, and it always appeared that — to
•5• them, that it appeared that he was representing the
•6• town.• Some figured out he was not, and asked him
•7• directly, and was told no, he was a citizen.
•8• • • • • •So my feeling was that he — he called to
•9• encourage them not to continue their candidacy for
10• employment with the town. (Another blatant lie – Originally in the Conversation Joe told them he was a citizen and he was not trying to dissuade them from applying but asking questions about how they felt about various laws. Some called him back and they advised him why they would not consider working in White Springs.)
11• • • Q.• •Is there anything wrong with a citizen taking
12• those actions?
13• • • A.• •Well, I felt to a degree this was tortious
14• interference in the business of the town if he was
15• intimidating and scaring off qualified candidates that
16• would benefit — whose services would benefit the
17• operations of the town.
18• • • Q.• •”Tortious interference.”• That’s a
19• sophisticated word we usually hear from attorneys.
20• How did you come up with that term?
21• • • A.• •Well, I heard it somewhere.• Someone
22• mentioned it in town, and so I looked it up, and I
23• said, “I think this is” — with the earlier — with
24• what I knew about Mr. Griffin, the desire to destroy
25• the town, this is a mechanism for doing it.

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•1• • • Q.• •You mentioned that one of the things that you
•2• found harassing is calling Anita Rivers a thief.• Do
•3• you know anything about Ms. Rivers’ criminal
•4• background?
•5• • • A.• •I don’t believe she has a criminal
•6• background.
•7• • • Q.• •Do you have any information one way or
•8• another about that?
•9• • • A.• •I asked her about that.
10• • • Q.• •And how did you ask her?• In the context of
11• her job interview?
12• • • A.• •After the allegation by Mr. Griffin.
13• • • Q.• •And so was that before or after she was
14• employed by the city?
15• • • A.• •I believe it was after she was employed by
16• the town.
17• • • Q.• •Do you recall whether that was after she
18• was — it was after she was employed by the town, you
19• said?
20• • • A.• •I believe so.
21• • • Q.• •And so what was the occasion that led you to
22• ask Ms. Rivers about her criminal background?• Why
23• would you ask her about that?
24• • • A.• •Well, your statement implies that she has a
25• criminal background.• I don’t believe she has a

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•1• criminal background.• She said she didn’t have a
•2• criminal background.• There was an allegation, which
•3• was not correct.• That is my understanding.
•4• • • Q.• •Did Ms. Rivers advise you she pled no contest
•5• to a bad check charge?
•6• • • A.• •I don’t recall.
•So it was over five years of hearing the
23• staff complain about the number of emails coming from
24• Mr. Griffin, which interrupted their ability to get
25• the job done, got them upset, that led to
12• • • A.• •The person whose job it is, is the town clerk
13• to respond to 119 requests.
14• • • Q.• •Would you agree that part of a town clerk’s
15• role is to deal with public records requests made by
16• citizens?
17• • • A.• •Yes.
18• • • Q.• •And when you tell me that numerous public
19• records requests interfered with the town clerk’s
20• ability to do her work, isn’t part of her job to
21• respond to Chapter 119 requests?
22• • • • • •MS. LOGAN:• Objection to form.
23• • • • • •You can answer.
24• • • A.• •I have already defined — our common term of
25• 119 requests referred to legitimate — well, actual

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•1• requests for information under 119, plus statements,
•2• derogatory statements, as well as just the sheer
•3• volume of repetition of the same requests.
•4• • • • • •So I certainly believe every citizen,
•5• including Mr. Griffin, has a right to request public
•6• information.
•7• BY MR. EDINGER:
•8• • • Q.• •Are you aware of any limits in the law as to
•9• the number of public records requests a citizen can
10• make of a town?
11• • • A.• •No, I’m not.
12• • • Q.• •And in terms of the things that they ask for,
13• the subjects that they inquire about, are you aware of
14• any limitations in the law as to what a citizen can
15• request in the nature of a public record?
16• • • A.• •No.
17• • • Q.• •What is it about — to the extent that the
18• emails from the Griffins were requesting public
19• records, what is it about those requests that you find
20• harassing or improper for the town to have to deal
21• with?
22• • • • • •MS. LOGAN:• Objection to form.
23• • • A.• •As I stated, it’s comments and the complaints
24• from the staff that the sheer number and rapidity of
25• the requests and the comments and the negative

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•1• comments that created emotional response and
•2• interfered with the daily operations of the town.
•3• • • • • •So it’s that ongoing and that culmination of
•4• those complaints for the employees, and I felt that
•5• was legitimate that they were complaining about those
•6• requests, because it did interfere with what they were
•7• doing, and that was a deficit for the town.

•You said that some of the comments that
19• either accompanied 119 requests or came by email from
20• the Griffins were derogatory in nature.• Have you
21• actually read derogatory comments in those emails?
22• • • A.• •I can’t recall personally.
23• • • Q.• •So your information concerning those
24• derogatory remarks would have come from staff —
25• • • A.• •Yes.

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•1• • • Q.• •– staff employees?
•2• • • • • •And in particular, that would typically be
•3• the town clerk making those complaints?
•4• • • A.• •And the town managers.
•5• • • Q.• •Mr. Lawrence is currently town manager;
•6• correct?
•7• • • A.• •Yes.
•8• • • Q.• •And did he complain to you about the nature
•9• of the 119 requests that the Griffins submitted?
10• • • • • •MS. LOGAN:• Objection to form.
Q.• •Okay.• We’ve talked about comments made by
•2• two city managers, Lawrence and Farley; by Ms. Rivers;
•3• and by Ms. Tomlinson.• Is there anyone else at the
•4• city that you can recall complaining about derogatory
•5• comments in the Griffins’ emails?
•6• • • A.• •Well, Shirley Heath was the town clerk, and
•7• she complained always about the sheer number and the
•8• repetition of the email requests.
•9• • • Q.• •How about derogatory remarks in the email
10• requests made by Ms. — complaints by Ms. Heath?
11• • • A.• •I don’t know if that was — if he had also
12• filed suit against her.• I may have that mixed up
13• together.• So I can’t say specifically.
14• • • Q.• •And with respect to complaints made by
15• someone at the city about derogatory remarks in the
16• emails, do you recall the substance of any of those
17• derogatory remarks?
18• • • A.• •I can’t.
19• • • Q.• •Do you know whether any derogatory remarks
20• and emails sent by the Griffins were derogatory
21• remarks directed to you?
22• • • A.• •Comments that she better respond.• I think
23• that’s the more recent one.• Or “I’m going to sue
24• her,” and things like that.
25• • • Q.• •Would you agree with me that if a government

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•1• does not respond to a Chapter 119 request, they are
•2• capable of being sued?
•3• • • • • •MS. LOGAN:• Objection to form.
•4• • • A.• •I believe the government unit has a duty to
•5• respond to 119 requests.
•6• BY MR. EDINGER:
•7• • • Q.• •And if they fail to do so, the government can
•8• be sued; correct?
•9• • • A.• •That is correct.
10• • • Q.• •So is there something that is inappropriate
11• or inaccurate in the statement that “you’ll be sued if
12• you don’t respond”?
13• • • A.• •He was directing them to me.• I’m not a unit
14• of government.• I’m not the record keeper for the Town
15• of White Springs.
16• • • Q.• •Tell me about the training, if any, that
17• you’ve had with respect to government’s
18• responsibilities under Chapter 119?
19• • • A.• •I’ve read the material from the state
20• handbook, the state law on 119 requests.• And I
21• believe that topic was covered at a League of Cities
22• meeting, several meetings —
23• • • Q.• •Anything else?
24• • • A.• •– but primarily reading the statute and
25• what’s required.
• Q.• •And tell me about this specific conversation
16• you had with Deputy Fouraker on that afternoon.
17• • • A.• •There wasn’t much of a conversation.• He
18• asked if I wanted to make a statement about the
19• Griffins, and I said, “Yes.”• And then — I guess
20• after I wrote it, he asked me to add the last
21• sentence.
22• • • Q.• •When you say “he asked me to,” are you
23• referring to the deputy?
24• • • A.• •Yes.
25• • • Q.• •Did the deputy tell you the substance that he

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•1• wanted to have included in that last sentence?
•2• • • A.• •Yes.
•3• • • Q.• •Did the deputy give you any —
•4• • • A.• •Well, the last sentence, that the Griffins
•5• were known to me.
•6• • • Q.• •Okay.• The very last sentence, “Both Joe and
•7• Karin Griffin are personally known to me and reside on
•8• Mill Street in White Springs,” that’s the information
•9• that the deputy asked you to add to your statement.
10• Is that correct?
11• • • A.• •Yeah.
12• • • Q.• •Did the deputy have any participation in the
13• remainder of your narrative?
14• • • A.• •No, he did not.
15• • • Q.• •Did he — the deputy tell you what the
16• purpose of this investigation was?
17• • • A.• •At this time, I do not recall what he said.
18• It was a year ago, and I don’t recall what he said.
19• • • Q.• •Did he provide any guidance other than just
20• “Can you write us a statement about the Griffins?”
21• • • A.• •That’s about it.
Q.• •But looking at your particular witness
•3• statements, it doesn’t mention statements about your
•4• husband.• It says, “about me and my conduct as a
•5• mayor.”
•6• • • • • •And so you’ve mentioned the misrepresentation
•7• about you sleeping around for the benefit of the town. (MILLER WISHED A BOND TO BE PAID BY LIFE INSURANCE ON EVERY CITIZEN OF WHITE SPRINGS SO THAT WHEN THEY DIED THE MONEY WOULD COME TO THE TOWN…THE MAN SHE WAS WORKING WITH AN EMPLOYEE TOLD JOE HAD A RELATIONSHIP WITH MILLER – THAT IS ALL HE KNEW WAS WHAT HE WAS TOLD BY AN EMPLOYEE WHO LAUGHED ABOUT IT)
•8• Can you think of any other misrepresentations of fact
•9• that the Griffins have made on their blog?
A.• •About financial mismanagement, I think. I
11• stopped reading his blog several years ago after my
12• blood pressure went up and my doctor said, you know,
13• “What’s happening?” (BETWEEN WHAT THE TOWN, THE CAMEL CLUB, DID TO US AND WHAT MILLER DID AT THE TIME, I, KARIN, NOT ONLY HAD HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE BUT WAS DIAGNOSED WITH PTSD)
14• • • • • •And I said, “Well, we have this individual in
15• town who puts out misstatements, creates information,
16• and then says a rumor, you know, ‘I’ve heard this
17• rumor,’ and puts it down or just creates things out of
18• thin air.” (PEOPLE PROVIDED JOE WITH INFORMATION AS THEY DO TODAY, ONLY WE NOW ALLOW THEIR FULL COMMENTS AND THE NAME THEY USE)
.
A.• •About financial mismanagement, I think. I
11• stopped reading his blog several years ago after my
12• blood pressure went up and my doctor said, you know,
13• “What’s happening?”
14• • • • • •And I said, “Well, we have this individual in
15• town who puts out misstatements, creates information,
16• and then says a rumor, you know, ‘I’ve heard this
17• rumor,’ and puts it down or just creates things out of
18• thin air.”
Q.• •When you filled out this witness statement,
15• did it occur to you that it was going to be used in
16• the course of a criminal investigation?
17• • • A.• •No.
18• • • Q.• •You were requested to fill this —
19• • • A.• •So you’re not referring to the civil rights,
20• this suit.• I’m just trying —
21• • • Q.• •What I’m asking is — it makes it kind of
22• common sense, it seems, that if a deputy comes in and
23• says, “Will you fill out a witness statement?”• and it
24• says “Hamilton County Sheriff’s Office Witness
25• Statement,” it seems a natural assumption that it

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•1• would be having to do with some violation of criminal
•2• law.
•3• • • A.• •Yes.• I misheard you, and I thought you were
•4• referring to did I think it would be held in this
•5• case.
•6• • • Q.• •Oh, in the violation of civil rights.• That’s
•7• not my question.
•8• • • A.• •Well, I misunderstood what you said.• So if
•9• you’d like to rephrase so we can get back.
10• • • Q.• •When you signed the statement on June 19th,
11• 2014, did you sign it knowing that your statement
12• would likely be used in the course of a criminal
13• investigation of the Griffins?
14• • • A.• •I don’t think I really was thinking about
15• that.• I mean, I knew we had the case.• It’s just
16• because I walked in the door, and “here.”• So I really
17• wasn’t, you know, thinking, planning.• It was sort of
18• serendipitous walking in at the time and the deputy
19• asking me to make a statement.
20• • • • • •I’m trying to really answer your question.
21• • • Q.• •Do you recall whether you asked the deputy,
22• “Why are you asking me for this witness statement,
23• what will it be used for?”
24• • • A.• •I guess I should have.• No, I don’t believe I
25• did.

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•1• • • Q.• •Can you tell me anything about your state of
•2• mind at the time you signed this witness statement as
•3• to why you would sign it as to what you thought it
•4• might be used for?
•5• • • A.• •It’s been a year ago, and I cannot recall
•6• what interactions or what had been going on with me as
•7• it relates to Mr. Griffin other than — the primary
•8• thing that was on my mind was his calling up
•9• candidates for the town manager position, because that
10• was extremely frustrating.
11• • • • • •We had gone through one round of candidate
12• applications.• We thought we had a number of good
13• candidates.• We set up interviews.• When it came down
14• to actually interviewing, I think we had two people to
15• interview, and those did not work, that wasn’t a good
16• fit.• So we had to do the process again.
17• • • • • •And when I was — the town manager, like I
18• said, asked me to call some of the candidates to get
19• more information.• And the information I was getting
20• was that Mr. Griffin had called them and called them,
21• sometimes three times had called them, and I knew
22• that — I felt that his calls were depressing the
23• number of viable candidates we’re going to have for
24• the position.
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•1• you that Mr. Griffin had contacted them?
•2• • • A.• •Well, definitely Bill Lawrence, that we did
•3• eventually hire.• He did mention that Mr. Griffin had
•4• even spoken with his wife, and that Cathy had even
•5• queried him, “Do you really want to think about going
•6• to White Springs if this is what you’re getting
•7• already from Mr. Griffin?”
•8• • • • • •So clearly, Mr. Lawrence, because he
•9• mentioned it a number of times when he called me. I
10• spoke to him quite a few times before he came to
11• interview, and a big part of our conversation was
12• Mr. Griffin. IN THE END KATHY AND BILL KNEW WE WERE CORRECT AND COULDN’T WAIT TO LEAVE. BILL WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO GAVE A TRUTHFUL DEPOSITION AND STATED THAT FROM THE TIME HE STARTED MILLER TOLD HIM THAT SHE INTENDED TO GET GRIFFIN AND GET HIS BLOG TAKEN DOWN.
13• • • • • •The other candidates’ names, I can’t recall.
14• I know there was at least one or two women I spoke
15• with who were potential candidates.
16• • • • • •And then I heard from town staff that — from
17• Anita, that she had — when she spoke to people who
18• she was trying to arrange interviews with who
19• mentioned they had received calls from Mr. Griffin.
20• • • Q.• •Do you have any specific knowledge that any
21• applicants for the town manager position withdrew
22• their applications because of Mr. Griffin’s telephone
23• calls to them?
24• • • A.• •The people I talked to didn’t specifically
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•1• interested because other things had emerged, other
•2• opportunities.• The woman who said also her husband
•3• said that was just too far to go or something.
•4• • • Q.• •Do you believe that Mr. Griffin broke any
•5• criminal laws in contacting city manager applicants
•6• and giving them information about the town or even
•7• trying to dissuade them from coming to White Springs?
•8• • • • • •MS. LOGAN:• Objection to form.

SHE PLED HOW INNOCENT SHE WAS WHILE FORMULATING A LETTER STIPULATING BOTH KARIN AND JOE GRIFFIN BELONGED IN PRISON AND WALTER MCKENZIE WAS UPSET BECAUSE RHETT BULLARD, WILLIE JEFFERSON AND TONJA BROWN REFUSED TO HAVE IT SENT TO KAREN HATTON THE ASA.

HELEN MILLER AND THE FEDERAL ATTORNEY MEGAN LOGAN STATED THAT HELEN’S SMOKING GUN LETTER WENT ONLY TO FRED KOBERLEIN AND THAT FRED KOBERLEIN TOLD HELEN MILLER NOT TO SEND IT. THE LETTER WENT INTO THE COURTS STIPULATING IT WAS THE FORMER MAYOR’S INTENT TO PLACE BOTH JOE AND KARIN GRIFFIN IN PRISON, TO GET RID OF THEIR BLOG AND TO ORDER 119’S ONLY THROUGH AN ATTORNEY.
WHAT WAS NEVER TOLD TO MEGAN LOGAN IS THAT THE SMOKING GUN LETTER, ALTHOUGH IT DID NOT GO TO THE ASA, DEFINITELY WAS DISCUSSED IN THE JULY 8TH MEETING…..A PUBLIC MEETING; THEREFORE IT IS A PUBLIC DOCUMENT THAT WAS HID FROM US UNTIL JOE FOUND IT THROUGH A SEARCH OF OTHER E-MAILS KOBERLEIN PROVIDED.
IT WAS THE INTENT OF HELEN MILLER AND WALTER MCKENZIE TO DEFINITELY SEND THE IMPACT STATEMENT THROUGH. NOW MAYOR RHETT BULLARD, WILLY JEFFERSON AND TANJA BROWN WERE THE COUNCIL PERSONS WHO DECIDED TO NOT SEND THE IMPACT STATEMENT.
THE PORTION OF THE MEETING MINUTES WHICH APPLY ARE AS FOLLOWS:

“White Springs Town Council Meeting Minutes July 8, 2014”
“e. Attorney”
“Fred Koberlein……”The status of the case to Joe Griffin is that it will continue in criminal court. The Town of White Springs have the opportunity to make a victim impact statement on how they have been affected. Walter McKenzie made a motion to give the mayor permission to go ahead with a victim impact statement on behalf of the Town of White Springs. After much discussion and no second to the motion, Walter McKenzie stated that he was very disappointed that the council did not follow proper” procedure in at least seconding the motion and then going into discussion. It was decided that the mayor would not present a victim impact statement to the court on behalf of the Town of White Springs.

There is so much more and you may ask Why I would ever bring this up. After all we did everything we could including ordering 119’s on behalf of Miller as well as handling information for the commission on Ethics. No, it wasn’t that an apology ever came for what was done to us but it was on our reliance that Helen Miller would be fair honest and follow the laws this time around. It now appears that is not happening and so I am washing my hands of this mess. Whatever happens happens and you the people of White Springs have to determine your own rights and wrongs and whether what you are being told is the actual honest truth.

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