Officer Bradley Meeks’ Depo in the River’s case

Thereupon,

  • 2· · · · · · · · · · · · ·BRADLEY MEEKS,
  • 3· ·acknowledged having been first duly sworn to tell the
  • 4· ·truth, and testified upon his oath as follows:
  • 5· · · · · THE WITNESS:· Yes.
  • 6· · · · · · · · · · · ·DIRECT EXAMINATION
  • 7· ·BY MR. LARKIN:
  • 8· · · Q· ·Mr. Meeks, can you state your name for the
  • 9· ·record, please?

10· · · A· ·Bradley Allen Meeks.

11· · · Q· ·And where are you employed?

12· · · A· ·White Springs Police Department.

13· · · Q· ·How long have you been employed there?

14· · · A· ·Three years, maybe three and a half years.  I

15· ·don’t remember exactly how long it’s been, but at least

16· ·three years.

17· · · Q· ·All right.· And do you hold any other positions

18· ·with the Town of White Springs other than a police

19· ·officer?

20· · · A· ·Yes.· I’m a volunteer firefighter as well.

21· · · Q· ·And how long have you been a volunteer

22· ·firefighter?

23· · · A· ·Six, seven months.

24· · · Q· ·Now, the reason we’re interviewing you — this

25· ·is not a deposition.· So if you have questions you want

  • 1· ·to ask, you’re perfectly welcome to do so.· The reason
  • 2· ·we’re interviewing you is in regards to a complaint
  • 3· ·that Ms. Anita Rivers has made against Ms. Stacy Tebo,
  • 4· ·and I guess to even some extent against Ms. Pam
  • 5· ·Tomlinson.
  • 6· · · A· ·(Witness nods head.)
  • 7· · · Q· ·And we’re here just to find out what, if
  • 8· ·anything, you know about that complaint.· In the
  • 9· ·complaint, Ms. Rivers is alleging that Ms. Tebo and/or

10· ·Ms. Tomlinson are not treating her fairly.

11· · · A· ·Okay.

12· · · Q· ·They’re rude to her sometimes and exclude her

13· ·from certain things and things of that nature.· Have

14· ·you ever witnessed any interaction between — we’ll

15· ·start with Ms. Tebo — Ms. Tebo and Ms. Rivers that you

16· ·thought was improper or inappropriate?

17· · · A· ·Yes.· I’m going to say I don’t remember exactly

18· ·the date, but it was last week, the last week I worked;

19· ·because I have five days off at a time, so everything

20· ·kind of gets messed up for me.· But I was standing at

21· ·the fax machine faxing some paperwork.· And I don’t

22· ·know verbatim what was said, but there was an issue

23· ·with an email, Ms. Rivers had with her email account.

24· · · · · And she had — from what I understand, she had

25· ·the police chief send Ms. Tebo an email about

  • 1· ·to ask, you’re perfectly welcome to do so.· The reason
  • 2· ·we’re interviewing you is in regards to a complaint
  • 3· ·that Ms. Anita Rivers has made against Ms. Stacy Tebo,
  • 4· ·and I guess to even some extent against Ms. Pam
  • 5· ·Tomlinson.
  • 6· · · A· ·(Witness nods head.)
  • 7· · · Q· ·And we’re here just to find out what, if
  • 8· ·anything, you know about that complaint.· In the
  • 9· ·complaint, Ms. Rivers is alleging that Ms. Tebo and/or

10· ·Ms. Tomlinson are not treating her fairly.

11· · · A· ·Okay.

12· · · Q· ·They’re rude to her sometimes and exclude her

13· ·from certain things and things of that nature.· Have

14· ·you ever witnessed any interaction between — we’ll

15· ·start with Ms. Tebo — Ms. Tebo and Ms. Rivers that you

16· ·thought was improper or inappropriate?

17· · · A· ·Yes.· I’m going to say I don’t remember exactly

18· ·the date, but it was last week, the last week I worked;

19· ·because I have five days off at a time, so everything

20· ·kind of gets messed up for me.· But I was standing at

21· ·the fax machine faxing some paperwork.· And I don’t

22· ·know verbatim what was said, but there was an issue

23· ·with an email, Ms. Rivers had with her email account.

24· · · · · And she had — from what I understand, she had

25· ·the police chief send Ms. Tebo an email about

something.· I don’t know what that email was involving.

  • 2· ·I just know that the police chief sent the email on
  • 3· ·behalf — to Ms. Tebo for Ms. Rivers.· Ms. Rivers had
  • 4· ·said something about the email not working.
  • 5· · · · · Well, as I’m sitting there doing my — faxing
  • 6· ·all my paperwork, something else was said to — Ms.
  • 7· ·Tebo said something to Ms. Rivers about the email, and
  • 8· ·Ms. Rivers responded, if I remember correctly, “Well, I
  • 9· ·can’t log in to my email.· That’s why I had the police

10· ·chief email it to you because it had to get emailed.”

11· · · · · Well, she said to get with — Ms. Tebo said to

12· ·get with Miss Pam, Ms. Tomlinson, I believe, if I’m

13· ·remembering correctly, to get the email situation

14· ·figured out.· Then I guess — I guess all of that had

15· ·already been taken care of on Ms. Rivers’ part.

16· · · · · And the next thing I know Ms. Tebo said — just

17· ·started yelling.· Well, maybe I shouldn’t say yelling,

18· ·raising her voice about how she didn’t want to hear any

19· ·more about the email, no more complaining about the

20· ·email, this, that, and the other.

21· · · · · I thought it was a little excessive, you know,

22· ·because I was standing there and I’m like, oh.· And I

23· ·kind of turned around and looked at Ms. Rivers, and I

24· ·actually told Ms. Rivers “I’m sorry you have to deal

25· ·with that,” because I wouldn’t have.· Me persona

  • wouldn’t have put up with it.· That’s neither here nor
  • 2· ·there, but it was — it was enough to where I had to
  • 3· ·turn around and say “I’m sorry you have to put up with
  • 4· ·that.”
  • 5· · · · · Verbatim what was said, I can’t — I’ve got so
  • 6· ·much other stuff going on in my head right now with my
  • 7· ·personal life and everything else, but I just know that
  • 8· ·when I heard it, just the tone of the voice, you could
  • 9· ·just tell that it was — what’s the word I’m looking

10· ·for?· I can’t think of the word I’m looking for —

11· ·hostile.· Not necessarily hostility, but it was

12· ·elevated.

13· · · Q· ·Was she aggravated?

14· · · A· ·Yeah, possibly aggravated.· Maybe aggravated

15· ·about the email situation.· But to do it that way, I

16· ·don’t think it was right, you know, not with — not

17· ·with me standing right there, but …

18· · · Q· ·How long did Ms. Tebo’s, I guess — you

19· ·mentioned at one point, you used the word “shouting,”

20· ·and then you said, “Well, maybe raised voices.”· Maybe

21· ·you said “… yelling and raised voices.”

22· · · A· ·Right, right.

23· · · Q· ·How long was this communication?

24· · · A· ·When I was there, it was just maybe about 30

25· ·seconds or a minute.· I don’t — I don’t really

remember how long it was.· I just know it kind of made

  • 2· ·me feel uncomfortable and that takes a lot, coming from
  • 3· ·me.
  • 4· · · Q· ·Was there anybody else that you’re aware of that
  • 5· ·may have witnessed that?
  • 6· · · A· ·I think — I can’t remember if the fire chief
  • 7· ·was coming in or if he was already in Ms. Tebo’s
  • 8· ·office.· I don’t remember because I don’t know if he —
  • 9· ·he could have been sitting around the corner or

10· ·something.· I don’t know.· So other than just me and

11· ·Ms. Rivers, I don’t know if anybody else was there or

12· ·not.

13· · · Q· ·Okay.· Did Ms. Rivers become emotional after

14· ·that?

15· · · A· ·Yes.· She actually — when I turned around and

16· ·said, you know, “I’m sorry you have to put up with

17· ·that,” she actually began to cry.· And I don’t know,

18· ·it might have been me making her cry.· I don’t know if

19· ·it was the situation.· I don’t — maybe it was all of

20· ·it, the totality of all of it.· I’m not a hundred

21· ·percent sure, but she did become emotional.

22· · · Q· ·When she started to cry, did she remain at her

23· ·desk or did she excuse herself at that point?

24· · · A· ·I don’t know honestly, because I had walked back

25· ·to my office.· After I had told her, you know

sorry, I finished up what I had to do and then went

  • 2· ·back into my office, which is in the back of the
  • 3· ·building.· So I don’t know if she stayed there or if
  • 4· ·she left.· I honestly don’t know.
  • 5· · · Q· ·All right.· And I guess if I understand in terms
  • 6· ·of the time frame, this was probably a couple or three
  • 7· ·weeks ago?
  • 8· · · A· ·If I had to — yeah, I’d say between a week, two
  • 9· ·weeks.

10· · · Q· ·A week or two weeks ago?

11· · · A· ·If I’m remembering correctly.

12· · · Q· ·Did you consider filing any type of complaint on

13· ·behalf of Ms. Rivers?

14· · · A· ·I didn’t.· Honestly, I didn’t.

15· · · Q· ·Have you gone and spoken to Ms. Tebo about that

16· ·particular incident?

17· · · A· ·No, sir.

18· · · Q· ·Other than this particular incident that you

19· ·just described, any other incidents that you’ve

20· ·observed Ms. Tebo engage in conduct that you thought

21· ·may have been improper or inappropriate?

22· · · A· ·I haven’t seen any, but I’m not in the office

23· ·all day, you know, like they are.· So I don’t see a lot

24· ·of — a lot of the stuff, if any of the stuff, that

25· ·happens like that.· So …

Q· ·Since that point in time until today, have you

  • 2· ·had any conversations with Ms. Rivers about that
  • 3· ·incident regarding Ms. Tebo?
  • 4· · · A· ·Huh-uh.
  • 5· · · Q· ·You never went back and followed up, “Hey, are
  • 6· ·you okay?”
  • 7· · · A· ·I mean, I talk to her on a daily basis, you
  • 8· ·know, because I consider Ms. Rivers a friend.· You
  • 9· ·know, she’s a co-worker and a friend.· Every day that I

10· ·come to work, I have to walk — I go by her desk and I

11· ·say, “Hey, how are you doing today?”· But that’s just

12· ·– because I’ve got to — you know, I’m going to my

13· ·police chief’s office.

14· · · · · Now, I’ve never actually said, “Are you doing

15· ·okay” after the incident.· But I do ask her pretty much

16· ·every day, “Hey, how are you doing?”· You know, I just

17· ·– I like to try to talk to everybody I can that I see.

18· ·So …

19· · · Q· ·Has she ever complained to you about Ms. Tebo

20· ·treating her unfairly or improperly?

21· · · A· ·Not to me.

22· · · Q· ·Are you aware of the her ever complaining to

23· ·anyone or has anyone ever told you that she’s

24· ·complained to· me?

25· · · A· ·Huh-uh, sure has

  • ·Have you ever had any conversations with your
  • 2· ·police chief about Ms. Tebo’s treatment of Ms. Rivers?
  • 3· · · A· ·Not that I can recall.
  • 4· · · Q· ·How about Mr. Pittman, the fire chief, have you
  • 5· ·ever had any conversations with him about Ms. Tebo’s
  • 6· ·treatment of Ms. Rivers?
  • 7· · · A· ·I don’t remember if I talked to him — I talked
  • 8· ·to him the other day, like yesterday or the day before,
  • 9· ·but I don’t remember if we had talked about that or if

10· ·it was something else.· Because he did call me and ask

11· ·me about this, and I said I believe this is what it’s

12· ·about.· Because when I talked to Ms. Tomlinson to set

13· ·it up, she advised me, and I was told then that it was

14· ·about this.

15· · · Q· ·I see.· Do you recall on the day that you

16· ·witnessed Ms. Tebo raise her voice, or whatever it

17· ·is that we’re going to characterize that as, towards

18· ·Ms. Rivers, do you ever recall going and having a

19· ·conversation or telling Chief Pittman what had occurred

20· ·earlier?

21· · · A· ·Huh-uh, because I didn’t — like I say, I didn’t

22· ·talk to him about it until, I believe it was, yesterday

23· ·or the day before because I didn’t realize he was there

24· ·or coming in there.· I mean, he might have been,

25· ·because Anita had said — I take that back.· Ani

1· ·said that he was there, but I don’t recall seeing him

  • 2· ·there.· That doesn’t mean he wasn’t sitting around the
  • 3· ·corner.· And, I mean, I hate to bring it up now, but he
  • 4· ·was — he was either sitting around the corner or
  • 5· ·walking in maybe.· I don’t know, because I don’t
  • 6· ·remember seeing him.
  • 7· · · Q· ·Ms. Tebo, has she ever raised her voice at you?
  • 8· · · A· ·No, sir.
  • 9· · · Q· ·Has she ever used profanity in your presence?

10· · · A· ·Not that I can recall.

11· · · Q· ·Switching gears to Ms. Tomlinson.

12· · · · · Well, last but not least, how would you describe

13· ·your relationship with Ms. Tebo?

14· · · A· ·I guess just personal — not personal —

15· ·professional.· I try to go to work and do my job.· You

16· ·know, I don’t — I’m not there to make friends, but I

17· ·become friends on that professional level and that’s

18· ·where I try — I try to keep everybody there, if that

19· ·makes any sense.· I don’t really talk to her on a

20· ·day-to-day basis.· I say, “Hey, how you doing,” in

21· ·passing and stuff like that.· But that’s the best — I

22· ·mean, that’s the only relationship that I’ve ever had

23· ·with her.

24· · · Q· ·Okay.

25· · · A· ·I mean, I’ve helped her with work stuff a

  • as setting up the movie theater and things that they do
  • 2· ·and stuff like that when she asks, but other than that,
  • 3· ·I don’t — I don’t even really report to her.· I go to
  • 4· ·my chief and that’s when I go — when I go to work, I
  • 5· ·go straight to her, my police chief.· So …
  • 6· · · Q· ·Okay.· Switching gears now to Ms. Tomlinson,
  • 7· ·have you ever witnessed any interactions between her
  • 8· ·and Ms. Rivers that you thought were inappropriate or
  • 9· ·improper?

10· · · A· ·Not that I can think of.· I don’t remember ever

11· ·seeing any type of situation like that or anything like

12· ·that.

13· · · Q· ·Has Ms. Rivers ever told you or complained to

14· ·you about any interactions or treatment that she has

15· ·received from Ms. Tomlinson?

16· · · A· ·No, sir.

17· · · Q· ·Have you ever had any issues with Ms. Tomlinson?

18· · · A· ·No, sir.

19· · · Q· ·Have you ever witnessed Ms. Tomlinson raise her

20· ·voice or use profanity in the office?

21· · · A· ·No, sir.

22· · · Q· ·Okay.· Switching gears to Andrew Greene, do you

23· ·know who he is?

24· · · A· ·Yes, sir.

25· · · Q· ·Do you interact with Mr. Greene

  • A· ·Occasionally.· He’s the assistant fire chief.
  • 2· · · Q· ·And you’re a volunteer firefighter?
  • 3· · · A· ·And I’m a volunteer firefighter.
  • 4· · · Q· ·Have you ever emailed or texted or attempted to
  • 5· ·call Mr. Greene and him not respond to you?
  • 6· · · A· ·No.· It seems like every time I have, he’s
  • 7· ·always text me back or called me right back, or
  • 8· ·whichever, you know, if he’s not busy.· I don’t think
  • 9· ·I’ve ever had that problem.

10· · · Q· ·How often do you speak to him or interact with

11· ·him?

12· · · A· ·I don’t know.· Maybe two or three times a week

13· ·maybe.

14· · · Q· ·Has he — have you and Mr. Greene ever had any

15· ·conversations about Ms. Rivers?

16· · · A· ·No, sir.

17· · · · · MR. LARKIN:· I’m going to take one minute.  I

18· · · don’t have any other questions.· Is there — well, I

19· · · do have one more question.

20· ·BY MR. LARKIN:

21· · · Q· ·Is there anything else that I haven’t asked you

22· ·about as it pertains to Ms. Rivers and what you know

23· ·regarding her employment and/or this complaint that you

24· ·want to tell me about that I haven’t asked you?

25· · · A· ·Not that I can think of.

  1. LARKIN:· Well, I appreciate your time and
  • 2· ·I’m sorry to bring you all the way over here from
  • 3· ·White Springs.
  • 4· · · ·THE WITNESS:· It’s fine.
  • 5· · · ·MR. LARKIN:· I guess I don’t have anything
  • 6· ·further.
  • 7· · · ·(Statement

 

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