Anita River’s Deposition Part II

·1· · · A· ·Yes.
·2· · · Q· ·In this post or in this letter, in the first
·3· ·paragraph about midway through, you write:· I told her
·4· ·that I could not help what Kizzy interpreted the post
·5· ·to mean.
·6· · · A· ·Yes.
·7· · · Q· ·Who’s Kizzy?
·8· · · A· ·A citizen, just a citizen in the Town of White
·9· ·Springs.
10· · · Q· ·Okay.· So is it your understanding that Kizzy
11· ·made some type of —
12· · · A· ·Kizzy went to Tonja, and Tonja brought it to
13· ·Stacy.
14· · · Q· ·And I assume you know Kizzy.
15· · · A· ·Yes.
16· · · Q· ·And how long have you known Kizzy?
17· · · A· ·Probably 20 years.
18· · · Q· ·Have you talked to Kizzy about your Facebook?
19· · · A· ·No, no.
20· · · Q· ·Okay.· So what you told me is something that you
21· ·– I guess, that you’re assuming that Kizzy went Tonja
22· ·and Tonja went to Stacy?
23· · · A· ·Stacy told me that —
24· · · Q· ·That that’s what she said?

25· · · A· ·– Kizzy complained to Tonja.

·1· · · A· ·She’s a retired town clerk and she has done the
·2· ·election for 20 years and shes the main person that Joe
·3· ·complains about tampering with the elections.
·4· · · Q· ·All right.· So you go and get this training from
·5· ·Ms. Hutto.· Then you have an email concerning that in
·6· ·your documents that’s from Ms. Hutto to, it looks like,
·7· ·Ms. Pam Tomlinson.
·8· · · A· ·Yes.
·9· · · Q· ·And it’s basically saying that you completed the
10· ·training with her on February 14, 2017?
11· · · A· ·Yes.· I asked her to send it because I didn’t
12· ·want them to doubt it or, you know …
13· · · Q· ·Okay.· And so then was it your understanding at
14· ·that point in time you would be working the election or
15· ·had —
16· · · A· ·Yes.
17· · · Q· ·– a decision not yet been made?
18· · · A· ·Yes.· Stacy said she had no problem with it.
19· · · Q· ·Okay.· And then if we go back in your documents
20· ·– and I don’t know how many pages it is.
21· · · A· ·What date is it?
22· · · Q· ·It’s an email dated March 30th, 2017.· There’s
23· ·actually a couple of them back to back.· It’s about
24· ·two-thirds of the way through.· It’s from Pam to — it
25· ·looks like Pam and Stacy and — I’m sorry.· It’s from
·1· ·you.
·2· · · A· ·No.· It’s from me —
·3· · · Q· ·From you to Pam and Stacy.
·4· · · A· ·– to Pam and Stacy, yes.
·5· · · Q· ·All right.· And this is referring, I guess, back
·6· ·to the conversation you had in February; do you agree?
·7· · · A· ·Yes.
·8· · · Q· ·I guess you’re reiterating that you still want
·9· ·to be involved in the poll training?
10· · · A· ·Poll worker.
11· · · Q· ·Or poll worker, right.
12· · · A· ·Yes.
13· · · Q· ·And the primary reason or one of the reasons you
14· ·give in the second paragraph is that you’re a current
15· ·employee and you’re going to be on the clock anyways
16· ·and so it will save the Town of White Springs some
17· ·money?
18· · · A· ·Yes, from paying another worker.
19· · · Q· ·Do you know how much the Town of White Springs
20· ·would save?
21· · · A· ·I believe they pay them $10 an hour for 12
22· ·hours.· That’s $120.
23· · · Q· ·Okay.· And then the next —
24· · · A· ·Which is more than I make in a day.
25· · · Q· ·Okay.· And then the next email or the next page
·1· ·is an email back to you that morning and Pam from Stacy
·2· ·saying what you just indicated earlier, that Joe
·3· ·Griffin has stated his intent to challenge the
·4· ·election.· So she does not believe it’s wise to have
·5· ·any current employees work the election?
·6· · · A· ·Yes.
·7· · · Q· ·You believe that is an excuse for her not to
·8· ·utilize you?
·9· · · A· ·Yes.
10· · · Q· ·Okay.· Now, I guess, do you think that is
11· ·somehow discriminatory against you?
12· · · A· ·Yes.
13· · · Q· ·Because of why?
14· · · A· ·Because I’m trained to do it.· Like I said, I’m
15· ·a current employee.· It would save money because they’d
16· ·pay me less than eight hours than they would pay
17· ·someone for the full 12 hour shift.
18· · · Q· ·Did Ms. Tebo allow any current employee to work
19· ·the polls in that election?
20· · · A· ·In this election?
21· · · Q· ·Yes.
22· · · A· ·It hasn’t — it’s tomorrow.
23· · · Q· ·Oh, it is.· Okay.· To your knowledge are there
24· ·any current employees signed up to work the polls?
25· · · A· ·No, not to my knowledge at all.
·1· · · Q· ·All right.· Is it your understanding that
·2· ·Mr. Griffin has decided or has indicated that he
·3· ·intends to challenge the election results?
·4· · · A· ·He does it every year.· It’s nothing new.
·5· · · Q· ·All right.· Has he ever been successful?
·6· · · A· ·No.
·7· · · Q· ·Have you had any more conversations with
·8· ·Ms. Tebo about this issue —
·9· · · A· ·No.
10· · · Q· ·– since this, I guess, March 30th email?
11· · · A· ·No.· She does not talk to me at all.· They like
12· ·totally ignore me, like I’m not even a human, like I’m
13· ·not human or that I should be — they should even
14· ·address anything that I say to them.· So I just say as
15· ·less as possible only when I have to ask a question.
16· · · Q· ·All right.· And when you say “they,” you’re
17· ·referring to Ms. Tebo —
18· · · A· ·And Pam.
19· · · Q· ·– and Ms. Tomlinson?
20· · · A· ·Yes.
21· · · Q· ·Anybody else?
22· · · A· ·No.
23· · · Q· ·Andrew Greene?
24· · · A· ·Andrew’s not in the office much at all.

25· · · Q· ·Just those two?

·1· ·know, and then he stopped.
·2· · · Q· ·I would appreciate anything that you want to
·3· ·give that would demonstrate that, because obviously
·4· ·it’s —
·5· · · A· ·Yeah, there’s a pattern.
·6· · · Q· ·All right.· Is this the first time that you
·7· ·have complained about Ms. Tebo or Ms. Tomlinson or
·8· ·anybody at the Town of White Springs not treating
·9· ·you fairly other than your complaints to Ms. Tebo about
10· ·Mr. Greene?
11· · · A· ·No.· I’ve complained to all the supervisors.
12· · · Q· ·All of them.· Who all have you complained to?
13· · · A· ·Robert Farley and Bill Lawrence, William
14· ·Lawrence.
15· · · Q· ·Okay.· But Mr. Farley and Mr. Lawrence were not
16· ·– Ms. Tebo was not there when they were there?
17· · · A· ·No.· They were the previous town managers.
18· · · Q· ·And you weren’t complaining about Mr. Farley’s
19· ·behavior towards you, were you —
20· · · A· ·No.
21· · · Q· ·– or Mr. Lawrence’s behavior towards you?
22· · · A· ·No.
23· · · Q· ·You were complaining to them about Ms.
24· ·Tomlinson?
25· · · A· ·And Andrew.
·1· · · Q· ·And Andrew Greene?
·2· · · A· ·Yes.
·3· · · Q· ·Okay.· And do you know whether they took any
·4· ·action against Ms. Tomlinson or Mr. Greene?
·5· · · A· ·I do not.
·6· · · Q· ·All right.· Now, at least sitting here today,
·7· ·though, Mr. Greene has been responding to your emails?
·8· · · A· ·Yes.
·9· · · Q· ·You indicated that you have something that you
10· ·discovered this weekend that shows —
11· · · A· ·Oh, a lot of things.· Y’all will have to make
12· ·copies.
13· · · Q· ·A lot of things.· Okay.
14· · · A· ·There’s some with Andrew, some with Pam, and
15· ·some with just like a complaint that someone wrote on
16· ·Stacy since she’s been there about her attitude and how
17· ·she is.
18· · · Q· ·But that isn’t a complaint that you made?
19· · · A· ·No, no, but it just shows …
20· · · Q· ·Is it a citizen?
21· · · A· ·A citizen that rented the community center.· And
22· ·when you rent the community center, you know, the table
23· ·and the chairs come with the rental.· Tonja went in to
24· ·take some of the chairs because they were having an
25· ·event for the town at the ball field.· And the girl
·1· ·told her she needed all the chairs.· And Tonja just was
·2· ·pretty much rude.
·3· · · · · So she called Stacy.· Stacy came and was just as
·4· ·rude to the girl and told her that they would take what
·5· ·they needed.· And so it really wasn’t fair to the
·6· ·citizen when she is hosting an event for the town to
·7· ·come in and take chairs and tables.
·8· · · Q· ·How did you learn of this particular complaint
·9· ·you’re talking about?
10· · · A· ·She came in to me, and so I gave her the actual
11· ·form to fill out for the complaint.
12· · · Q· ·And you have documents that pertain to that?
13· · · A· ·Yes.
14· · · Q· ·Does it identify who the citizen is?
15· · · A· ·Yes.· It’s her — it’s a copy of her complaint.
16· · · Q· ·Okay.· Do you know whatever took place or
17· ·whatever transpired because of that complaint?
18· · · A· ·Stacy called the father back because he had
19· ·called the office complaining.· And so she called the
20· ·girl’s father back and apologized.· And so it was, you
21· ·know, made good.· It was all good after that, but the
22· ·girl said she would never come rent anything else from
23· ·the town.
24· · · Q· ·All right.· Now, you have in your documents that
25· ·you gave me some document that’s pertain to Congressman
·1· ·Lawson wanting to, I guess, speak at the community
·2· ·center.· This is in April.
·3· · · A· ·Yes, I remember, but I’ll have to look at that
·4· ·one.
·5· · · Q· ·Did you hold some type of a town meeting on
·6· ·April 13th?
·7· · · A· ·What the date is?
·8· · · Q· ·It’s an email near the end, dated April 4th from
·9· ·you to Ms. Tebo concerning the community center for
10· ·April 13th.
11· · · A· ·Oh, okay.· Yes.
12· · · Q· ·What relevance, I guess, is this issue?
13· · · A· ·Just showing how just simple little things that
14· ·she would normally ask me — because like I say, my
15· ·office and her office is like right here.· So we
16· ·conversate a lot.· You know, we can see each other.· We
17· ·talk like that.
18· · · · · So it just pretty much shows how she started
19· ·putting little simple things down in writing, just like
20· ·is the community center available?· When that’s
21· ·something, I feel like, she could ask me.· But that
22· ·shows that she refuses to even address me or conversate
23· ·with me at all on anything.
24· · · Q· ·Okay.· Other than, I guess, your belief that the

25· ·email, I guess, demonstrates that, has there been any

·conversation with her about that particular issue?
·2· · · A· ·No.
·3· · · Q· ·Did you go in and say, “Why didn’t you just ask
·4· ·me about the recreational stuff?”
·5· · · A· ·She is not approachable, not since this
·6· ·complaint went out.· It’s gotten even worse.· You just
·7· ·can’t say anything to her.
·8· · · Q· ·Okay.
·9· · · A· ·Just like Friday even — what was it Friday?
10· ·Late Friday it was, I believe, when we were talking
11· ·about the voting things.· Someone came in Friday to
12· ·early vote.· Pam was at lunch.· So the lady asked if I
13· ·could help her, and I said, “No.”· And she says, “Well,
14· ·what if Pam dies?”· I said, “I don’t know.· Hopefully
15· ·she don’t die before 12:30.· She’ll be back at 12:30 —
16· ·1:30.”
17· · · · · And so she left and Pam came in.· Stacy says to
18· ·Pam, “Pam, someone came in when you were out to early
19· ·vote.”· So Pam’s standing in Stacy’s office.· And so
20· ·Pam turns to me and asks, “Anita, who came in?”· And I
21· ·said, “Brenda Graham came in to early vote, but you
22· ·were at lunch.”
23· · · · · And so she — I said, “Isn’t that something that
24· ·I could help do because I did it last year?· I’ve done
25· ·it before when people come in to vote.”· And Pam turned
·1· ·around to Stacy.· They never addressed me and went back
·2· ·to talking like I never asked the question, and that
·3· ·creates hostility.· I feel like nobody when they do
·4· ·that.
·5· · · Q· ·Did you say anything to them?
·6· · · A· ·No.
·7· · · Q· ·Did you say:· Excuse me.· Maybe you didn’t —
·8· · · A· ·No, because then it’ll — I feel like they’re
·9· ·doing it to push me to get me to come unglued, so then
10· ·they can say that I’m this violent person or whatever.
11· ·I don’t know.· It’s games.· They’ve been doing it for
12· ·years, Pam has.
13· · · · · So it just gets to the point to where you just
14· ·don’t say anything because — other than to put it in
15· ·writing and then, you know — and then later on Pam —
16· ·that happened like at two o’clock.· And then Pam
17· ·emailed me — I didn’t get it until I got in this
18· ·morning — at 4:53 on Friday saying that she was trying
19· ·to check with Laura Hutto and make sure there wasn’t
20· ·any issues.
21· · · · · How would it be an issue if I’ve been a poll
22· ·worker and I’m a worker of the town?· I’m a notary.· It
23· ·would be just handing somebody a ballot to — I did it
24· ·before.· It was something I did when Pam was out
25· ·before.
·1· · · Q· ·Okay.· Has Pam followed up with you regarding
·2· ·that issue since —
·3· · · A· ·She said she’ll let me know.· In the email
·4· ·Friday at 4:53, that she would let me know what the law
·5· ·states, but I haven’t heard anything else.
·6· · · Q· ·All right.· And it’s Monday at 9:35 or 9:40
·7· ·right now.
·8· · · A· ·Yes.
·9· · · Q· ·The next email concerns a recreation agenda and
10· ·Ms. Tebo asking you to print it out and make six
11· ·copies.
12· · · A· ·Yes.
13· · · Q· ·And it’s dated April 5th of 2017, and I guess
14· ·it’s the agena for April 7th.
15· · · A· ·Probably.
16· · · Q· ·It’s attached to it, I think.· Well, it appears
17· ·to be, based on the email.· Is there — what is the
18· ·relevance of that, of her asking you to print out, and
19· ·post, and make six copies?
20· · · A· ·Because this is something that I always do and I
21· ·feel like she’s just, I don’t know, being petty. I
22· ·don’t know.· I do it all the time.
23· · · Q· ·And did you go in and talk to her about this?
24· · · A· ·No, no.
25· · · Q· ·Then there appears to be, I guess, a response
·1· ·from you on the next page, and I don’t know because the
·2· ·entire email is not included, at least who it was from.
·3· ·But it says, “Tom Moore will be there.· Ronnie
·4· ·Tomlinson thinks he will have a game at 6:00.”
·5· · · A· ·Yes.· Those were my responses to her to let her
·6· ·know which ones I contacted and what was the outcome.
·7· · · Q· ·Why were you contacting these people?
·8· · · A· ·To attend the meeting, the recreation meeting.
·9· ·They’re on the committee.
10· · · Q· ·Okay.· So this had to do with the recreation
11· ·agenda?
12· · · A· ·Yeah, yes.
13· · · Q· ·And they’re on the recreation committee?
14· · · A· ·And so I usually call them even after we send
15· ·them the agenda to let them know.· And so she wanted me
16· ·to find out who would actually be there because if they
17· ·didn’t have a quorum, then there was no reason to even
18· ·hold a meeting.
19· · · Q· ·I see.· Anything —
20· · · A· ·No.
21· · · Q· ·– discriminatory or —
22· · · A· ·(Witness shakes head.)
23· · · Q· ·What is the relevance of your response to her?
24· · · A· ·Just that those are things that we normally just

25· ·discuss in general and so I feel like — I don’t know

·1· ·conversation with her about that particular issue?
·2· · · A· ·No.
·3· · · Q· ·Did you go in and say, “Why didn’t you just ask
·4· ·me about the recreational stuff?”
·5· · · A· ·She is not approachable, not since this
·6· ·complaint went out.· It’s gotten even worse.· You just
·7· ·can’t say anything to her.
·8· · · Q· ·Okay.
·9· · · A· ·Just like Friday even — what was it Friday?
10· ·Late Friday it was, I believe, when we were talking
11· ·about the voting things.· Someone came in Friday to
12· ·early vote.· Pam was at lunch.· So the lady asked if I
13· ·could help her, and I said, “No.”· And she says, “Well,
14· ·what if Pam dies?”· I said, “I don’t know.· Hopefully
15· ·she don’t die before 12:30.· She’ll be back at 12:30 —
16· ·1:30.”
17· · · · · And so she left and Pam came in.· Stacy says to
18· ·Pam, “Pam, someone came in when you were out to early
19· ·vote.”· So Pam’s standing in Stacy’s office.· And so
20· ·Pam turns to me and asks, “Anita, who came in?”· And I
21· ·said, “Brenda Graham came in to early vote, but you
22· ·were at lunch.”
23· · · · · And so she — I said, “Isn’t that something that
24· ·I could help do because I did it last year?· I’ve done
25· ·it before when people come in to vote.”· And Pam turned
·1· ·around to Stacy.· They never addressed me and went back
·2· ·to talking like I never asked the question, and that
·3· ·creates hostility.· I feel like nobody when they do
·4· ·that.
·5· · · Q· ·Did you say anything to them?
·6· · · A· ·No.
·7· · · Q· ·Did you say:· Excuse me.· Maybe you didn’t —
·8· · · A· ·No, because then it’ll — I feel like they’re
·9· ·doing it to push me to get me to come unglued, so then
10· ·they can say that I’m this violent person or whatever.
11· ·I don’t know.· It’s games.· They’ve been doing it for
12· ·years, Pam has.
13· · · · · So it just gets to the point to where you just
14· ·don’t say anything because — other than to put it in
15· ·writing and then, you know — and then later on Pam —
16· ·that happened like at two o’clock.· And then Pam
17· ·emailed me — I didn’t get it until I got in this
18· ·morning — at 4:53 on Friday saying that she was trying
19· ·to check with Laura Hutto and make sure there wasn’t
20· ·any issues.
21· · · · · How would it be an issue if I’ve been a poll
22· ·worker and I’m a worker of the town?· I’m a notary.· It
23· ·would be just handing somebody a ballot to — I did it
24· ·before.· It was something I did when Pam was out
25· ·before.
·1· · · Q· ·Okay.· Has Pam followed up with you regarding
·2· ·that issue since —
·3· · · A· ·She said she’ll let me know.· In the email
·4· ·Friday at 4:53, that she would let me know what the law
·5· ·states, but I haven’t heard anything else.
·6· · · Q· ·All right.· And it’s Monday at 9:35 or 9:40
·7· ·right now.
·8· · · A· ·Yes.
·9· · · Q· ·The next email concerns a recreation agenda and
10· ·Ms. Tebo asking you to print it out and make six
11· ·copies.
12· · · A· ·Yes.
13· · · Q· ·And it’s dated April 5th of 2017, and I guess
14· ·it’s the agena for April 7th.
15· · · A· ·Probably.
16· · · Q· ·It’s attached to it, I think.· Well, it appears
17· ·to be, based on the email.· Is there — what is the
18· ·relevance of that, of her asking you to print out, and
19· ·post, and make six copies?
20· · · A· ·Because this is something that I always do and I
21· ·feel like she’s just, I don’t know, being petty. I
22· ·don’t know.· I do it all the time.
23· · · Q· ·And did you go in and talk to her about this?
24· · · A· ·No, no.
25· · · Q· ·Then there appears to be, I guess, a response
·1· ·from you on the next page, and I don’t know because the
·2· ·entire email is not included, at least who it was from.
·3· ·But it says, “Tom Moore will be there.· Ronnie
·4· ·Tomlinson thinks he will have a game at 6:00.”
·5· · · A· ·Yes.· Those were my responses to her to let her
·6· ·know which ones I contacted and what was the outcome.
·7· · · Q· ·Why were you contacting these people?
·8· · · A· ·To attend the meeting, the recreation meeting.
·9· ·They’re on the committee.
10· · · Q· ·Okay.· So this had to do with the recreation
11· ·agenda?
12· · · A· ·Yeah, yes.
13· · · Q· ·And they’re on the recreation committee?
14· · · A· ·And so I usually call them even after we send
15· ·them the agenda to let them know.· And so she wanted me
16· ·to find out who would actually be there because if they
17· ·didn’t have a quorum, then there was no reason to even
18· ·hold a meeting.
19· · · Q· ·I see.· Anything —
20· · · A· ·No.
21· · · Q· ·– discriminatory or —
22· · · A· ·(Witness shakes head.)
23· · · Q· ·What is the relevance of your response to her?
24· · · A· ·Just that those are things that we normally just

25· ·discuss in general and so I feel like

·why she’s putting every single thing in an email.
·2· · · Q· ·Because then there’s another email that concerns
·3· ·what, I guess, is Andrew Greene and it’s from Ms. Tebo
·4· ·to you and Pam.· And it’s dated April 6th, 2017, at
·5· ·8:48 a.m., and the subject is Andrew.· And it says, “He
·6· ·is in class at the prison this morning.· He will not
·7· ·have his phone while inside.”
·8· · · A· ·I might have stapled this in there in error,
·9· ·because I keep all emails now.
10· · · Q· ·All right.
11· · · A· ·That doesn’t have any relevance with any
12· ·anything.
13· · · Q· ·Now, there’s another email that’s from April 7th
14· ·that’s the next page.· And this is, I guess, somebody
15· ·stopping by, Nicole Williams, to pick up a pamphlet on
16· ·parliamentary procedure.
17· · · A· ·Yes.
18· · · Q· ·And Ms. Tebo, I guess, is saying that we don’t
19· ·really have too many of these and we can’t give them
20· ·out, these pamphlets?
21· · · A· ·Yes.
22· · · Q· ·Right.· We only have two left, and Fred gave
23· ·them to us for council members and any new members who
24· ·come on board.· I’m putting it on your desk, Anita’s
25· ·desk.
·1· · · A· ·Yes.
·2· · · Q· ·Is there anything that’s, I guess, inappropriate
·3· ·or a problem with this particular email?
·4· · · A· ·On this one I was just showing how pretty much
·5· ·she closes her door, but it’s — she does it when she’s
·6· ·upset or don’t want to be bothered.· She’s had me lie
·7· ·to people several times to say that she’s working on
·8· ·something, but when she’s already told me, “I just
·9· ·don’t feel like being F’d with anybody today.· So just
10· ·tell them that I’m busy.”
11· · · · · And then she would say only if like maybe Ronnie
12· ·Vanzant or somebody from a grant, you know, working on
13· ·a grant with her would call, that she would talk to
14· ·them, but no council members, nobody.
15· · · Q· ·Okay.· And that concerns, I guess, the last
16· ·paragraph.
17· · · A· ·Yeah.
18· · · Q· ·I will be closing my door to concentrate or
19· ·write.
20· · · A· ·Yes.
21· · · Q· ·And that’s something that she routinely does —
22· · · A· ·Yes.
23· · · Q· ·– when she’s upset?
24· · · A· ·Yes.
25· · · Q· ·Do you know whether she was upset that day?
·1· · · A· ·I know she don’t care for Nicole Williams, the
·2· ·girl that was coming to pick it up, and I feel like
·3· ·because Nicky wanted to meet with her and she really
·4· ·didn’t want to be bothered with her.· I think that’s
·5· ·some of the reason.
·6· · · Q· ·All right.· But this has really nothing to
·7· ·do with you as much as it does with Ms. Tebo and
·8· ·Ms. Williams?
·9· · · A· ·Yes, and the fact that, you know, she just
10· ·closes her door a lot too.
11· · · Q· ·But, I guess, if I understand correctly, she
12· ·doesn’t just close her door because she’s angry with
13· ·you or doesn’t want to speak with you?· It’s for —
14· · · A· ·Just whatever, yes.
15· · · Q· ·Whatever, okay.· And that’s what this particular
16· ·email is relevant for?
17· · · A· ·Yes.
18· · · Q· ·Okay.· Now, there’s another email that concerns
19· ·Curtis’s phone and it’s dated April 7th, at 9:53.· It’s
20· ·from Stacy to you, copying Andrew Greene.· Is this
21· ·Curtis Greene?
22· · · A· ·Curtis Johnson.· He’s a part-time employee.
23· · · Q· ·Okay.· And she’s asking you what’s Curtis’s
24· ·phone number.· And then at the bottom you have some
25· ·handwriting.
·1· · · A· ·Yes.
·2· · · Q· ·What is the purpose of this?· Is this just to
·3· ·show that Ms. Tomlinson —
·4· · · A· ·Pretty much that — I mean, that’s a simple
·5· ·question.· She should have — she could have just said,
·6· ·”Anita, what’s Curtis phone number?”· I mean, you know,
·7· ·she’s — that’s in writing.· And then the fact that
·8· ·once I told her that he was not there, she went to Pam.
·9· ·And Pam says, “Well, Anita says he’s not here.”· So
10· ·it’s like she didn’t want to hear it from me.
11· · · Q· ·And then she went in her office, slammed the
12· ·door, and emailed you this email?
13· · · A· ·Yes.· No.· She emailed me this — yeah, right
14· ·after that happened.· So I made that note on here as
15· ·what happened.
16· · · Q· ·All right.· So Ms. Tebo asked for —
17· · · A· ·If he’s there, and I said, “No.”
18· · · Q· ·She then goes to Pam Tomlinson and she says,
19· ·”Anita just said he wasn’t.”· She gets apparently angry
20· ·and goes in her office and slams the door and emails
21· ·you, “What’s his phone number?”
22· · · A· ·Yes.
23· · · Q· ·Okay.· Do you know whether she was angry at you?
24· · · A· ·I don’t know.· She’s angry a lot.· I don’t know.

25· · · Q· ·Did you send Curtis’s phone n

· A· ·Yes.
·2· · · Q· ·Did you have any more issues with Ms. Tebo
·3· ·regarding Curtis’s phone number?
·4· · · A· ·No.
·5· · · Q· ·The remaining emails are all — I mean, there’s
·6· ·a —
·7· · · A· ·They’re just showing things like she’s — she’s
·8· ·so infatuated with Joe’s blog, she don’t want to go on
·9· ·there herself because then he can see the IP address.
10· ·So she’s had me save all of his blogs on the server, so
11· ·she can read it.· And so I hadn’t done it in like a
12· ·week because I had been at that time working on stuff
13· ·for· Ken.· And so then she wanted to know why haven’t
14· ·you put it on the blog in the last week — the blog on
15· ·the server.· So then I went ahead and put it on the
16· ·server.
17· · · Q· ·Okay.· I mean, I guess, Ms. Tebo is paying
18· ·attention to Mr. Griffin’s blog because it’s critical
19· ·sometimes of her performance of the town?
20· · · A· ·Yes.
21· · · Q· ·And she wants to know what he’s saying or what
22· ·he’s complaining about, but doesn’t want him to know
23· ·that she’s inquiring about it?
24· · · A· ·Yes, sir.
25· · · Q· ·Is there anything that you think that is
·1· ·discriminatory towards you for asking you to perhaps
·2· ·help her with that?
·3· · · A· ·No.· I’ve been saving his on the blog since the
·4· ·last lawsuit.· Well, since Bob Farley was there.· Bob
·5· ·had me saving his stuff, but not on the server.· He
·6· ·just — they always had me to keep it in a folder. I
·7· ·guess so they could have it if they went to court or
·8· ·whatever.· But when she came along and figured out how
·9· ·he was talking about her a lot, then she had me to put
10· ·it on the actual server.
11· · · Q· ·All right.· With respect to Ms. Tebo, you
12· ·indicated that there’s some things that you have in
13· ·addition to what you gave me at the last meeting that
14· ·you want to provide to me at this particular meeting?
15· · · A· ·Yes.
16· · · Q· ·Okay.· Obviously I won’t have an opportunity to
17· ·ask you questions.· And it’s not my intent to come back
18· ·here again to talk with you.· So in general terms, do
19· ·you just want to tell me what the relevance of the
20· ·documents are that you want to give me?
21· · · A· ·Yeah.· The main thing is like — okay.· When I
22· ·came here on the 12th, when I spoke with you before
23· ·that when we set up the meeting, you said that y’all
24· ·would let them know because I asked you if it would be
25· ·taken off my time.
·1· · · Q· ·Right.
·2· · · A· ·And you said, “No.· We would let them know so
·3· ·you would be covered.”· So I’m assuming that was taken
·4· ·care of.· I come out of — when I got ready to leave
·5· ·the office that morning, Pam was standing at the
·6· ·typewriter right beside me.· She had a packet that she
·7· ·wanted me to give — take to Fred’s office for Meagan
·8· ·to sign the paper she forgot to sign at the council
·9· ·meeting the previous night.
10· · · · · So she said, “Do you know where Fred’s office is
11· ·on Baya?”· I said, “Yeah, I do.”· I said, “But actually
12· ·I’m going to meet with Fred this morning, I’ll give it
13· ·to him,” is what I said.· So she said, “Okay.”· And so
14· ·she got the packet ready.· I left the office.
15· · · · ·When I go back to the office — it was like I had
16· ·to go by Staples — I mean, Office Max before I left to
17· ·pick up a cartridge for a printer at work.· So I went
18· ·there.· By the time I got back to work, it’s like
19· ·11:43.· My lunch is 11:30 to 12:30.· So I asked Stacy
20· ·in an email if I could, you know, just work through my
21· ·lunch and go home at 4:00 and use my lunch hour from
22· ·4:00 to 5:00.· No problem.
23· · · · ·Last Thursday, I think it was, I — it’s in here.
24· ·She emailed me at 9:51 p.m., saying, “Anita, please
25· ·inform me when you need to leave the office.· Pam is
·1· ·the person who covers for you and we need to ensure
·2· ·there is coverage.· If you have an appointment, let me
·3· ·know ahead of time that you have something scheduled.
·4· ·You had an appointment on Wednesday and did not notify
·5· ·me that you would be leaving for a few hours.”
·6· · · · ·That’s not correct.· I notified — I told them I
·7· ·was going.· I even mentioned that I was going with
·8· ·Fred.· If they didn’t know at that moment, why wouldn’t
·9· ·they have asked me more, you know.· Then I fill out my
10· ·leave slip 8:00 to 5:00 that day.· She signed my leave
11· ·slip.· If I had an appointment of my own, I would have
12· ·had to fill out some type of leave slip to take that
13· ·time off, you know what I mean, what I’m getting at?
14· ·And so she didn’t.
15· · · · ·And then she waits nine days later at 9:59 p.m.,
16· ·I come across her mind about not being at work on the
17· ·12th for a couple of hours.· It just shows that she’s
18· ·just gigging at me for — I don’t know.
19· · · · ·So then when I emailed her back and I told her,
20· ·you know, that the appointment last Wednesday was a
21· ·meeting with Fred Koberlein and an investigator — they
22· ·were supposed to notify you that I would be out of the
23· ·office and there would be no problem.· When they
24· ·contacted me to meet, that was what I was told.· I am

25· ·scheduled to meet with them again on

·24th, at 9:00, unless things change.
·2· · · · ·So she finally emailed me back Friday afternoon
·3· ·and says, “No one notified me of anything.· Thanks for
·4· ·me letting me know about Monday.”
·5· · · Q· ·Okay.
·6· · · A· ·But I just know that she is full of it because I
·7· ·had I been out for a personal appointment, I would have
·8· ·had to have filled out a leave slip.
·9· · · Q· ·Okay.· And you think that she’s just doing this
10· ·to retaliate against you in some way?
11· · · A· ·Yes, yes.
12· · · Q· ·Has she disciplined you in any way for the time
13· ·that you took to come here?
14· · · A· ·No, no.
15· · · Q· ·Other than the email asking you, you know, to
16· ·let them know?
17· · · A· ·Yes.
18· · · Q· ·Anything else that she has done?
19· · · A· ·Just the total ignoring.· I mean, when I address
20· ·her as, Stacy, you have such and such here or, Stacy,
21· ·this is going on, she just like totally ignores me.
22· ·Now, the other day when Councilwoman Miller come in,
23· ·and I said, “Stacy, Hellen is here to see you.”
24· · · · · “Sure.”
25· · · · · You know, she was nice, but I feel like it was
·1· ·because of Helen’s presence.
·2· · · Q· ·All right.· So When Stacy’s being nice to you,
·3· ·is it typically when someone else is present?
·4· · · A· ·Yes.
·5· · · Q· ·Otherwise she’s not speaking to you?
·6· · · A· ·Yes.
·7· · · Q· ·Then you get an email at 9:51 in the evening and
·8· ·she’s obviously thinking about something that occurred
·9· ·nine days prior.
10· · · A· ·Yes.· And the chief of police is a witness to a
11· ·lot of it, because she’s — her office is right there
12· ·too.· And so she heard it Friday, and then she was like
13· ·– when I asked them about working the polls, you know,
14· ·if I could help people with the early voting, and there
15· ·was no response.· And she — the chief was like, “Did
16· ·they answer you?”· And I said, “No.”· And that was the
17· ·end of, you know, that.
18· · · Q· ·I want to take you to some questions I have
19· ·concerning Pam Tomlinson’s documents.
20· · · A· ·Okay.
21· · · Q· ·And I believe that might have been Exhibit 2 to
22· ·the last meeting.· If not, it’s — it’s either 2 or 3.
23· ·I don’t have it in front of me.
24· · · A· ·Okay.
25· · · Q· ·On the third or so page, or the fourth page of
·1· ·this document is also an email and it’s from you to
·2· ·Ms. Tebo back in July 27th of 2016.· This is a formal
·3· ·complaint that are you making against Pam Tomlinson.
·4· · · A· ·Yes.
·5· · · Q· ·And this has to do with her language that she’s
·6· ·using in the meetings.· Is this something we had
·7· ·already discussed about her using profanity?
·8· · · A· ·We did discuss her using profanity over and
·9· ·over.
10· · · Q· ·And I guess you asked at some point in time
11· ·whether this was directed at you or just she was being
12· ·angry, and I guess she said something.· She yelled at
13· ·you and said, “That is your damn job.”
14· · · A· ·Uh-huh.· And I asked her if she was cursing.
15· ·And she says, “Well, I did say a curse word, but I’m
16· ·sorry.”· And I was like, “No, you’re not because you do
17· ·it often.”· And so I just kind of said, “When you calm
18· ·down and I calm down, we’ll talk.”· And she’s like,
19· ·”No, I guess we won’t talk.”· You know, and she was
20· ·just rude.
21· · · · · And a few minutes later she came out and when
22· ·she walked by my office, she had a handful of mail that
23· ·she had stamped on the meter machine and she took it
24· ·and just like slung it towards the box, but it went all
25· ·over the floor.· So to me that was showing she was
·1· ·angry and, you know …
·2· · · Q· ·And so you sent this email to Ms. Tebo.· Do you
·3· ·know whether Ms. Tebo spoke to Ms. Tomlinson about
·4· ·that?
·5· · · A· ·I do not.
·6· · · Q· ·Did Ms. Tomlinson, does she still continue to
·7· ·use profanity directed at you?
·8· · · A· ·Yes.
·9· · · Q· ·How often does she do that?
10· · · A· ·She doesn’t curse a lot, but she’s just rude.
11· · · Q· ·And the curse word that you’re referring to here
12· ·is the word “damn”?
13· · · A· ·Yes.
14· · · Q· ·Does Ms. Tomlinson use any words other than
15· ·damn?
16· · · A· ·She has before.
17· · · Q· ·And since this time period —
18· · · A· ·Not since then, no.
19· · · Q· ·All right.· So since July 27th, 2016, she has
20· ·not used profanity?
21· · · A· ·Not at me, no.
22· · · Q· ·Okay.· The next —
23· · · A· ·I don’t think so.
24· · · Q· ·All right.· The next document is “Enough said

25· ·about Pam’s demeanor with citizens,” and it’s an August

1· · · A· ·Yes.
·2· · · Q· ·Did you have any more issues with Ms. Tebo
·3· ·regarding Curtis’s phone number?
·4· · · A· ·No.
·5· · · Q· ·The remaining emails are all — I mean, there’s
·6· ·a —
·7· · · A· ·They’re just showing things like she’s — she’s
·8· ·so infatuated with Joe’s blog, she don’t want to go on
·9· ·there herself because then he can see the IP address.
10· ·So she’s had me save all of his blogs on the server, so
11· ·she can read it.· And so I hadn’t done it in like a
12· ·week because I had been at that time working on stuff
13· ·for· Ken.· And so then she wanted to know why haven’t
14· ·you put it on the blog in the last week — the blog on
15· ·the server.· So then I went ahead and put it on the
16· ·server.
17· · · Q· ·Okay.· I mean, I guess, Ms. Tebo is paying
18· ·attention to Mr. Griffin’s blog because it’s critical
19· ·sometimes of her performance of the town?
20· · · A· ·Yes.
21· · · Q· ·And she wants to know what he’s saying or what
22· ·he’s complaining about, but doesn’t want him to know
23· ·that she’s inquiring about it?
24· · · A· ·Yes, sir.
25· · · Q· ·Is there anything that you think that is
·1· ·discriminatory towards you for asking you to perhaps
·2· ·help her with that?
·3· · · A· ·No.· I’ve been saving his on the blog since the
·4· ·last lawsuit.· Well, since Bob Farley was there.· Bob
·5· ·had me saving his stuff, but not on the server.· He
·6· ·just — they always had me to keep it in a folder. I
·7· ·guess so they could have it if they went to court or
·8· ·whatever.· But when she came along and figured out how
·9· ·he was talking about her a lot, then she had me to put
10· ·it on the actual server.
11· · · Q· ·All right.· With respect to Ms. Tebo, you
12· ·indicated that there’s some things that you have in
13· ·addition to what you gave me at the last meeting that
14· ·you want to provide to me at this particular meeting?
15· · · A· ·Yes.
16· · · Q· ·Okay.· Obviously I won’t have an opportunity to
17· ·ask you questions.· And it’s not my intent to come back
18· ·here again to talk with you.· So in general terms, do
19· ·you just want to tell me what the relevance of the
20· ·documents are that you want to give me?
21· · · A· ·Yeah.· The main thing is like — okay.· When I
22· ·came here on the 12th, when I spoke with you before
23· ·that when we set up the meeting, you said that y’all
24· ·would let them know because I asked you if it would be
25· ·taken off my time.
·1· · · Q· ·Right.
·2· · · A· ·And you said, “No.· We would let them know so
·3· ·you would be covered.”· So I’m assuming that was taken
·4· ·care of.· I come out of — when I got ready to leave
·5· ·the office that morning, Pam was standing at the
·6· ·typewriter right beside me.· She had a packet that she
·7· ·wanted me to give — take to Fred’s office for Meagan
·8· ·to sign the paper she forgot to sign at the council
·9· ·meeting the previous night.
10· · · · · So she said, “Do you know where Fred’s office is
11· ·on Baya?”· I said, “Yeah, I do.”· I said, “But actually
12· ·I’m going to meet with Fred this morning, I’ll give it
13· ·to him,” is what I said.· So she said, “Okay.”· And so
14· ·she got the packet ready.· I left the office.
15· · · · ·When I go back to the office — it was like I had
16· ·to go by Staples — I mean, Office Max before I left to
17· ·pick up a cartridge for a printer at work.· So I went
18· ·there.· By the time I got back to work, it’s like
19· ·11:43.· My lunch is 11:30 to 12:30.· So I asked Stacy
20· ·in an email if I could, you know, just work through my
21· ·lunch and go home at 4:00 and use my lunch hour from
22· ·4:00 to 5:00.· No problem.
23· · · · ·Last Thursday, I think it was, I — it’s in here.
24· ·She emailed me at 9:51 p.m., saying, “Anita, please
25· ·inform me when you need to leave the office.· Pam is
·1· ·the person who covers for you and we need to ensure
·2· ·there is coverage.· If you have an appointment, let me
·3· ·know ahead of time that you have something scheduled.
·4· ·You had an appointment on Wednesday and did not notify
·5· ·me that you would be leaving for a few hours.”
·6· · · · ·That’s not correct.· I notified — I told them I
·7· ·was going.· I even mentioned that I was going with
·8· ·Fred.· If they didn’t know at that moment, why wouldn’t
·9· ·they have asked me more, you know.· Then I fill out my
10· ·leave slip 8:00 to 5:00 that day.· She signed my leave
11· ·slip.· If I had an appointment of my own, I would have
12· ·had to fill out some type of leave slip to take that
13· ·time off, you know what I mean, what I’m getting at?
14· ·And so she didn’t.
15· · · · ·And then she waits nine days later at 9:59 p.m.,
16· ·I come across her mind about not being at work on the
17· ·12th for a couple of hours.· It just shows that she’s
18· ·just gigging at me for — I don’t know.
19· · · · ·So then when I emailed her back and I told her,
20· ·you know, that the appointment last Wednesday was a
21· ·meeting with Fred Koberlein and an investigator — they
22· ·were supposed to notify you that I would be out of the
23· ·office and there would be no problem.· When they
24· ·contacted me to meet, that was what I was told.· I am
25· ·scheduled to meet with them again on Monday, April

 

·24th, at 9:00, unless things change.
·2· · · · ·So she finally emailed me back Friday afternoon
·3· ·and says, “No one notified me of anything.· Thanks for
·4· ·me letting me know about Monday.”
·5· · · Q· ·Okay.
·6· · · A· ·But I just know that she is full of it because I
·7· ·had I been out for a personal appointment, I would have
·8· ·had to have filled out a leave slip.
·9· · · Q· ·Okay.· And you think that she’s just doing this
10· ·to retaliate against you in some way?
11· · · A· ·Yes, yes.
12· · · Q· ·Has she disciplined you in any way for the time
13· ·that you took to come here?
14· · · A· ·No, no.
15· · · Q· ·Other than the email asking you, you know, to
16· ·let them know?
17· · · A· ·Yes.
18· · · Q· ·Anything else that she has done?
19· · · A· ·Just the total ignoring.· I mean, when I address
20· ·her as, Stacy, you have such and such here or, Stacy,
21· ·this is going on, she just like totally ignores me.
22· ·Now, the other day when Councilwoman Miller come in,
23· ·and I said, “Stacy, Hellen is here to see you.”
24· · · · · “Sure.”
25· · · · · You know, she was nice, but I feel like it was
·1· ·because of Helen’s presence.
·2· · · Q· ·All right.· So When Stacy’s being nice to you,
·3· ·is it typically when someone else is present?
·4· · · A· ·Yes.
·5· · · Q· ·Otherwise she’s not speaking to you?
·6· · · A· ·Yes.
·7· · · Q· ·Then you get an email at 9:51 in the evening and
·8· ·she’s obviously thinking about something that occurred
·9· ·nine days prior.
10· · · A· ·Yes.· And the chief of police is a witness to a
11· ·lot of it, because she’s — her office is right there
12· ·too.· And so she heard it Friday, and then she was like
13· ·– when I asked them about working the polls, you know,
14· ·if I could help people with the early voting, and there
15· ·was no response.· And she — the chief was like, “Did
16· ·they answer you?”· And I said, “No.”· And that was the
17· ·end of, you know, that.
18· · · Q· ·I want to take you to some questions I have
19· ·concerning Pam Tomlinson’s documents.
20· · · A· ·Okay.
21· · · Q· ·And I believe that might have been Exhibit 2 to
22· ·the last meeting.· If not, it’s — it’s either 2 or 3.
23· ·I don’t have it in front of me.
24· · · A· ·Okay.
25· · · Q· ·On the third or so page, or the fourth page of
·1· ·this document is also an email and it’s from you to
·2· ·Ms. Tebo back in July 27th of 2016.· This is a formal
·3· ·complaint that are you making against Pam Tomlinson.
·4· · · A· ·Yes.
·5· · · Q· ·And this has to do with her language that she’s
·6· ·using in the meetings.· Is this something we had
·7· ·already discussed about her using profanity?
·8· · · A· ·We did discuss her using profanity over and
·9· ·over.
10· · · Q· ·And I guess you asked at some point in time
11· ·whether this was directed at you or just she was being
12· ·angry, and I guess she said something.· She yelled at
13· ·you and said, “That is your damn job.”
14· · · A· ·Uh-huh.· And I asked her if she was cursing.
15· ·And she says, “Well, I did say a curse word, but I’m
16· ·sorry.”· And I was like, “No, you’re not because you do
17· ·it often.”· And so I just kind of said, “When you calm
18· ·down and I calm down, we’ll talk.”· And she’s like,
19· ·”No, I guess we won’t talk.”· You know, and she was
20· ·just rude.
21· · · · · And a few minutes later she came out and when
22· ·she walked by my office, she had a handful of mail that
23· ·she had stamped on the meter machine and she took it
24· ·and just like slung it towards the box, but it went all
25· ·over the floor.· So to me that was showing she was
·1· ·angry and, you know …
·2· · · Q· ·And so you sent this email to Ms. Tebo.· Do you
·3· ·know whether Ms. Tebo spoke to Ms. Tomlinson about
·4· ·that?
·5· · · A· ·I do not.
·6· · · Q· ·Did Ms. Tomlinson, does she still continue to
·7· ·use profanity directed at you?
·8· · · A· ·Yes.
·9· · · Q· ·How often does she do that?
10· · · A· ·She doesn’t curse a lot, but she’s just rude.
11· · · Q· ·And the curse word that you’re referring to here
12· ·is the word “damn”?
13· · · A· ·Yes.
14· · · Q· ·Does Ms. Tomlinson use any words other than
15· ·damn?
16· · · A· ·She has before.
17· · · Q· ·And since this time period —
18· · · A· ·Not since then, no.
19· · · Q· ·All right.· So since July 27th, 2016, she has
20· ·not used profanity?
21· · · A· ·Not at me, no.
22· · · Q· ·Okay.· The next —
23· · · A· ·I don’t think so.
24· · · Q· ·All right.· The next document is “Enough said
25· ·about Pam’s demeanor with citizens,” and it’s an August

 

·1· ·3rd, 2016 — it appears to be a post.
·2· · · A· ·It’s from Joe Griffin’s blog and I was just
·3· ·showing how she answered him back, “You stupid man.”
·4· ·He’s a citizen and regardless of how you feel about
·5· ·somebody, you just should not —
·6· · · Q· ·And this is —
·7· · · A· ·And so she’s allowed to do it.· Stacy is okay
·8· ·with this.· She laughed about it, thinking, you know,
·9· ·it’s cool.
10· · · Q· ·All right.· Then the next documents concern the
11· ·e-cigarettes, and I think this is something that we’ve
12· ·already talked about —
13· · · A· ·Yes.
14· · · Q· ·– where you talked to Ms. Tebo.· And then we
15· ·have another one where you inform Ms. Tebo that Pam’s
16· ·still doing it.· And then she says in an email dated
17· ·February 13th, 2017, at 10:20 a.m., “All right. I
18· ·didn’t know this was happening.· Thank you for letting
19· ·me know.”
20· · · A· ·Yes.
21· · · Q· ·It’s your understanding that maybe she went and
22· ·talked to Pam again because Pam doesn’t smoke inside
23· ·anymore?
24· · · A· ·Yes.
25· · · Q· ·Okay.· What is the email concerning credits, the
·1· ·very next one?
·2· · · A· ·It’s just showing that that’s something else
·3· ·that Ken wanted, and Pam was supposed to create the
·4· ·spreadsheet.· But, like I said, she didn’t even know
·5· ·the IMS software.· So she had to come to me for me to
·6· ·show her how to even do the spreadsheet in the billing
·7· ·software.· But it just shows that, you know, they —
·8· ·they communicate with Ken and then come back to me to
·9· ·tell me what he wants, but they can’t explain it.
10· · · Q· ·Okay.· And then, I guess, we have three or four
11· ·more ones concerning cash reports from April 3rd of
12· ·2017.
13· · · A· ·Uh-huh.
14· · · Q· ·The next one concerns adjusting garbage rates
15· ·from April 4th of 2017.· And the last one is a scan
16· ·from a Xerox malfunction device, dated April 6th, 2017.
17· ·What is the relevance of those?
18· · · A· ·Just showing that those are — like the garbage
19· ·rate thing was something that I didn’t know how to do
20· ·in the system in the beginning, and Andrew did and I
21· ·was never shown how to do it.
22· · · Q· ·All right.· And I know that you have some
23· ·documents that you’re going to provide.· We’ll put
24· ·those certainly with your interview and make them
25· ·exhibits.
·1· · · A· ·Yes, okay.
·2· · · Q· ·And we can —
·3· · · A· ·And I want to just mention that I do not have a
·4· ·job description.· I asked for a copy a couple months
·5· ·back from Stacy.· She pulled this out of my personnel
·6· ·file.· The only thing in there was the ad that was
·7· ·placed in the paper.· And Bob Farley, she says, wrote
·8· ·– had this typed up.· And, I guess, the A’s are for
·9· ·what I’m supposed to do and PT is for Pam.· And but
10· ·there’s a — the job description is actually town clerk
11· ·that’s attached to it.· So I don’t have a job
12· ·description.
13· · · Q· ·What does that have to do with your complaint?
14· · · A· ·Just showing that if they ever complain and say
15· ·that I’m not doing my job, what is my job?
16· · · Q· ·I guess —
17· · · A· ·Pretty much I don’t have one.
18· · · Q· ·Yeah, but as of now, they’ve not complained
19· ·about —
20· · · A· ·No, no.
21· · · Q· ·Ms. Tomlinson or Ms. Tebo have not complained
22· ·that you’re not doing your job?
23· · · A· ·No, no.· And I’m just showing where Bill
24· ·Lawrence wrote a letter suggesting, you know, for me to
25· ·go to training and the time he paid for it, and then it
·1· ·changed.· And some statements that I had copied or
·2· ·wrote down that Bob Farley had said, stuff that Shirley
·3· ·had done.· So I got a lot more copies.
·4· · · Q· ·Shirley who?
·5· · · A· ·Shirley Heath, the retired manager.· These are
·6· ·just things that were going on.
·7· · · · · MR. LARKIN:· All right.· Why don’t we take maybe
·8· · · a five-minute break and we can make a copy of
·9· · · those and then go back on and introduce those as
10· · · exhibits.· And I’ll ask if Ms. Rivers has anything
11· · · else that she would like to share.
12· · · · · Is that okay with you?
13· · · · · THE WITNESS:· Yeah.
14· · · · · MR. LARKIN:· Okay.· Thanks.
15· · · · · (Recess taken.)
16· · · · · MR. LARKIN:· We can go back on now.
17· ·BY MR. LARKIN:
18· · · Q· ·While the exhibits, the documents that you have
19· ·provided are being copied — and I will make those all
20· ·exhibits to your statement, probably just continuing in
21· ·the number or the order from before, probably 4 or 5,
22· ·and carry on based on the way that you stapled them.
23· ·So there’s not going to be any particular rhyme to them
24· ·or order to them.· It’s just going to be as I get them.

25· ·Okay?

· A· ·Okay.
·2· · · Q· ·A couple of questions just as a follow up.· You
·3· ·mentioned the police chief, Ms. Rodrigues.
·4· · · A· ·Rodriquenz.· It’s different.
·5· · · Q· ·Rodriquenz.· I’m going to get that right.
·6· ·Rodriquenz.
·7· · · · · Is there anything that you’re aware of that
·8· ·Ms. Rodriquenz has witnessed that concerns you other
·9· ·than what we’ve already talked about?· I think you
10· ·mentioned that there was one particular instance where
11· ·she may have heard an exchange.
12· · · A· ·She heard the thing that brought about the
13· ·complaint and she’s heard it in the past, you know,
14· ·over time different things that have gone on.
15· · · Q· ·Has Ms. Rodriquenz ever talked to you about
16· ·Ms. Tomlinson’s behavior?
17· · · A· ·We discussed just how she treats them, the
18· ·officers, you know, even her.
19· · · Q· ·What does that mean, how she treats the officers
20· ·and her?
21· · · A· ·Just in the way that she talks to them.
22· · · Q· ·Is Ms. Tomlinson — is it your testimony that
23· ·Ms. Tomlinson is rude to the police officers of the
24· ·Town of White Springs —
25· · · A· ·Yes.
·1· · · Q· ·– and to Ms. Rodriquenz?
·2· · · A· ·Yes.
·3· · · Q· ·Have you ever witnessed any exchanges between
·4· ·Ms. Tomlinson and the police officers or the chief that
·5· ·you thought were rude?
·6· · · A· ·I’ve just heard different conversations.· Like I
·7· ·said, it’s so small in there that you hear everything,
·8· ·I think.· The most recent thing I can remember was one
·9· ·day I was out.· I came back from lunch and, I guess,
10· ·the phone was ringing and Pam was on the phone.· So the
11· ·chief answered the call and took a message.· And all of
12· ·that transpired while I was gone.
13· · · · · And when I came back in, I remember the chief
14· ·going into Pam’s office and telling her that it was
15· ·Nextray (phonetic) on the phone and they had taken the
16· ·fire engine in to have it fixed because something was
17· ·wrong with it.· And she asked Tracy, “Why didn’t they
18· ·call me?”· And Tracy says, “Well, Cecil called me
19· ·because I’m his supervisor so he didn’t know where else
20· ·to go.”
21· · · · · And Pam kind of went, “Well, they should have
22· ·called me and Stacy.”· And Tracy says, “Well, I’ll
23· ·never take another message for you again.”· And I heard
24· ·that exchange, but it was —
25· · · Q· ·When was that?
·1· · · A· ·It’s been within the last month, but I can’t
·2· ·remember the exact date.
·3· · · Q· ·Is it fair to say that Ms. Tomlinson has had, I
·4· ·guess, interactions with other employees similar to
·5· ·what you’re complaining about with respect to you?
·6· · · A· ·Yes.
·7· · · Q· ·Okay.· So it’s not that Ms. Tomlinson is
·8· ·treating specifically you in maybe a manner — in a
·9· ·rude manner, but she’s had issues with others?
10· · · A· ·Yes, she has.
11· · · Q· ·And even maybe citizens who are not employees?
12· · · A· ·Yeah.
13· · · Q· ·Okay.· And that this has been an ongoing —
14· · · A· ·Yes.
15· · · Q· ·– pattern of behavior that you have brought to
16· ·the attention of Mr. Farley and Mr. Lawrence —
17· · · A· ·Yes.
18· · · Q· ·– and now Ms. Tebo?
19· · · A· ·Yes.
20· · · Q· ·But now in addition to bringing Ms. Tomlinson’s
21· ·conduct, you’re also bringing Ms. Tebo’s conduct, and
22· ·to some degree, I guess, Mr. Greene’s conduct —
23· · · A· ·Yes.
24· · · Q· ·– in your complaint?
25· · · A· ·Yes, but my main concern is, and to not lose
·1· ·sight of it, Ms. Tebo actually violated the standard
·2· ·operating guidelines when she yelled at me.· That was
·3· ·verbal abuse and it says that it’s not tolerated.· And
·4· ·I just know had I done that to her with the way she —
·5· ·how angry she is, she would have fired me right then
·6· ·and then I would have been out a job for her being
·7· ·angry.
·8· · · Q· ·And Ms. Rodriquenz witnessed that?
·9· · · A· ·Yes.
10· · · Q· ·She witnesses —
11· · · A· ·Because she called me in her office after she
12· ·witnessed me crying.
13· · · Q· ·Did Ms. Tomlinson witness it?
14· · · A· ·She was in her office, so I don’t know what she
15· ·heard because she — like I said, she hears some things
16· ·and some things she don’t.
17· · · Q· ·Anybody else that you’re aware of that may have
18· ·witnesses it?
19· · · A· ·Oh, there was Officer Meeks standing at the
20· ·copier and Kevin Pittman was in our office standing
21· ·behind him.
22· · · Q· ·Those are two individuals you’ve asked me to
23· ·speak to, and I believe we’re going to.
24· · · A· ·Yes, and Ms. Rodriquenz.

25· · · Q· ·All right, perfect.· Anything else

·talk to me about with respect to your complaint?
·2· · · A· ·No.· I think I got it all out.
·3· · · · · MR. LARKIN:· Mr. Koberlein, do you have any
·4· · · questions?
·5· · · · · MR. KOBERLEIN:· No.
·6· · · · · MR. LARKIN:· Well, we appreciate your time.
·7· · · Again, we’ll make the exhibits that you’ve given as
·8· · · part of the interview.
·9· · · · · THE WITNESS:· Okay.
10· · · · · MR. LARKIN:· If anything comes up, you remember
11· · · something that you wanted to include, but
12· · · inadvertently had not done so, please let myself or
13· · · Mr. Koberlein know and we’ll attempt to make an
14· · · effort to include it as part of your interview.
15· · · · · THE WITNESS:· Okay.
16· · · · · MR. LARKIN:· In the meantime, have a great rest
17· · · of the day.
18· · · · · (Recess taken.)
19· · · · · MR. LARKIN:· This is to Ms. Anita Rivers’
20· · · interview.· As indicated, we received documents at
21· · · the close of her interview today and several
22· · · stapled documents that we have not had an
23· · · opportunity to review these yet.· But I indicated
24· · · to Ms. Rivers that we would make them exhibits to
25· · · her interview.
·1· · · ·Starting with Exhibit 5, which is a stapled
·2· ·group of documents with a sticky tab on the front,
·3· ·dated November 1 of 2016.
·4· · · ·Exhibit 6 is another group of stapled documents
·5· ·with several, what appears to be, copies of sticky
·6· ·notes, dated 5/29 of 2015.· There’s also another
·7· ·date at the top right of April 30th of 2014, and one
·8· ·in the center on the right dated May 7th of 2014.
·9· ·And this is going to be Composite Exhibit 6.
10· · · ·Exhibit 7 is another group of stapled documents
11· ·with three sticky notes on the right side.· The top
12· ·one is dated April 24 of 2014 and that will be
13· ·Composite Exhibit 7.
14· · · ·And Exhibit 8 is what appears to be several
15· ·sticky notes again in a stapled group of documents.
16· ·The top left corner is dated July 23rd, 2015.· The
17· ·top right corner is dated July 9th of 2015, and that
18· ·will be Exhibit 8.
19· · · ·The next exhibit, Exhibit 9, is a group of
20· ·documents stapled with a letter from William
21· ·Lawrence, town manager, to Melinda Henry, education
22· ·assistant, dated October 21st of 2014, regarding the
23· ·supporting documentation letter of employment
24· ·verification for Anita Rivers.· That’s Exhibit 9.
25· · · ·And Exhibit 10, again, is another stapled group
·1· ·of documents with the three stickies down the right
·2· ·side.· The top sticky note is dated May 13th of
·3· ·2014, and that is Exhibit 10.
·4· · · ·For the record, that will conclude Ms. Rivers’
·5· ·interview and the attached exhibits.
·6· · · ·(Composite Exhibit Nos. 5 through 10 were marked
·7· ·for identification.)
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